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The defense.

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Tonight, we present to you, Jackie Cooper, as star of The Clock and the Rope, a defense

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play produced, edited and directed by William Spear.

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Would you like to hear the old story about the innocent man facing execution and his

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last minute attempt to kill his wife?

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Would you like to hear the old story about the innocent man facing execution and his last minute attempts to get a pardon, how it feels when he doesn't get it?

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Well, I can tell you all about it, because that's my story.

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There's a couple of different twists to it, of course.

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There always are.

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For one thing, it happened to me.

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And now, I keep away from people.

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I keep away from cities and buildings.

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Buildings with the cells they call rooms and doors that don't always open.

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I never button my collar.

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You'll find out why.

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I earn my living as a guide for hunting parties.

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Me, who couldn't find my way across the city park without asking a cop for directions.

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I never sleep indoors.

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I can't.

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And I can't stand clocks.

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Most of all, I can't stand clocks.

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It happened so fast.

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I told them it wasn't murder.

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It was self-defense.

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Involuntary self-defense.

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You know, like putting up your arms to protect yourself.

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But it didn't work out that way in court.

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That's the other different twist I told you about.

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They convicted me.

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They sentenced me to be hanged.

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And they hanged me.

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I was night man.

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Sell a little gas, do the rough strip down for some repairs that had to be done the next day.

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Take care of any tranch and overnight parking.

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Then these girls started dropping in for gas every other night or so.

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Late.

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I liked her style, but I was too shy to say anything.

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And I guess she figured it.

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She was stiff with a sort of little smile half turned in her teeth to watch me when I filled the tank.

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Then she'd pay me and pull away with a funny look in her eyes.

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As if she was getting a kick out of the way I acted.

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Then one night, instead of pulling away, when she paid me, she spoke.

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Aw, come on. Open up.

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What?

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Say something.

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I've been here 20 times.

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You can say a word or two, Panky.

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Hello, we're at the nice night.

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I didn't.

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Well, I didn't know that you wanted me to.

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You're a funny fellow.

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I didn't look like I didn't want you to, did I?

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Don't I know my looks anymore?

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Oh, sure.

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Tell me, did I hear somebody call you a hunk the other night?

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I guess you did.

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My name is Henry. Henry Gilford.

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Did your girl call you a hunk?

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Well, haven't you got a girl?

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No, steady girl, if that's what you mean.

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What would you be doing with a steady girl, working here every night?

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Oh, I get one night off, go to her dance or something.

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Oh, yes.

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Sure, I...

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Hey, say, do you like to dance?

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I have, Henry.

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Well, I'm off tomorrow night.

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You ever go to the Arcadia?

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They've got a good band there. I forget who it is this week.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Tomorrow night isn't my night off.

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Oh.

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But I get off at midnight tonight.

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And see, the Arcadia closes at midnight.

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All the big dance places close at midnight.

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Well, you don't have to have a big place, do you?

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Oh, no. Oh, no.

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No, there's the Owl Inn out on Tapscott Avenue.

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They run late and have a pretty good little band

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and the booze and everything.

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That would be fine.

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Well, I could pick you up at your job.

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No, no, I, um...

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I'm way at the other end of town and I have to drive my car back anyway.

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Suppose I meet you at the Owl. I'll be there in a little after midnight.

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I'll be there.

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Okay, see you.

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Oh, say, what's your name?

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It's a long night. Goodbye.

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That next night around 11.30,

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I caught the trolley going out along Tapscott Avenue.

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The mortarman was old Steve Hoffman.

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He had known me since I was a kid and he'd written me about my new gray suit,

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especially by wanting to get off at the Owl Inn.

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Said I was stepping out in fast company.

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We got there in about 20 minutes and I started up the driveway,

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kind of thrilled at the idea of a midnight date.

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I was just starting up the steps at the inn when I heard voices

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coming from a grove of trees to one side.

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Nobody, I tell you.

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Don't give me that stuff.

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I followed you all the way out there. Who you meet?

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Nobody.

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Okay, for giving me that, you'll get bit.

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Ow!

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Get back here.

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Hey, hey, what's this?

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I told you this is the guy you're gonna meet. Hans Weld.

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I'll take care of both of you now.

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Hey, what's going on anyway?

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What did you hit him for, Joe? He's got nothing to do with it.

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Get up, Hank. Run. This guy's crazy.

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Crazy? Why don't you call somebody? I'll handle him till he comes.

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No, no, you get out of here. Now run.

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You want more, huh? Well, I got it right here for you.

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Get the black... Run, Hank!

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No, you don't.

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Hey, now let go of it. No, you don't. You don't grab this.

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You got him, Hank. Hit him again. Hit him. Hit him again.

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Well, I did it, I guess.

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Say, who... who is he?

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He would have done worse for you.

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We used to go together.

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I didn't know you had a steady fella.

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I thought when we made our date...

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You didn't ask me.

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Besides, we were breaking up.

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He had no right to interfere.

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Well, what do we do now?

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What do you mean about him?

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You tell me, Chloe. I'll take care of him.

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You mean, leave him here with you?

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Well, he'll... Please go.

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There'll be more trouble for you, you two.

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Go ahead, Hank. I'm gonna leave here right away, too.

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He'll be all right.

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But he wasn't all right. He was dead.

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I knew about it hardly two hours later.

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No, she didn't come and tell me.

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The police came and got him.

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And they didn't learn about me from her, either.

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They didn't know anything about her,

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and they acted like they didn't want to know.

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Why did you walk home?

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You rode out there on the trolley. Why didn't you ride back?

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Well, I just wanted to think, that's all.

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Sure. Because you weren't thinking about

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how maybe the motorman wouldn't remember taking you out there

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if you didn't ride back.

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No, why would I do that? I've known old Steve Hoffman all my life.

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Is that how you found out?

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You're not very smart.

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I'm not trying to be smart.

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Okay. So you hit him in self-defense

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and to save a girl. Now, what's her name?

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Her name?

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I never got it.

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She didn't tell me.

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You had a date with a girl and you didn't even know what her name was.

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Well, yes. I asked her.

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I've seen her often, but she didn't tell me.

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Are you sure there was a girl?

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Of course. Who would I have the date with?

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Maybe just with the guy you killed.

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I never met him before. I don't even know him.

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You just don't know anything, do you?

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Well, I'll ask you a very simple question.

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I'm sure you can answer this one.

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I'll try. How much money did you take off the man you murdered?

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How much?

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Yeah, how much. And where is it?

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His pockets were turned inside out.

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You went from self-defense to help yourself.

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They pushed me around some after that.

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They'd take me to court and then back to myself.

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Half the time I didn't know what was going on.

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They gave me a lawyer, Mr. Hall, Bailey Hall.

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He'd do the talking.

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He kept asking for things like reduced bail,

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time for further investigation,

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continuances to find witnesses.

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Just sort of stalling all the time.

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I don't know why.

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I told him I didn't have the money for any bail.

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And witnesses.

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There was only one I wanted, that girl.

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But he kept on.

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I was trying to hold up things.

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And one day he told me I'd been indicted.

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I knew what that meant, Harold.

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It meant I had to go in trial.

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For murder.

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That's bad, boy, bad.

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I've done all I could to delay indictment and trial.

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And I hope that something will turn up, but we're in for it now.

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I wish they'd give me something more to work on.

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What do you mean?

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This girl, you can't even name.

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I can't go into a court with just that.

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The police feel certain there never was a girl.

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And there's no trace of her anywhere.

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Well, maybe she'll show up.

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My boy, you've got a lot to learn.

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Mr. Hall, that's all I know.

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I can't help it.

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You never mentioned the girl and just claimed self-defense or a fight.

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The girl thing, that's so bad, it makes your whole defense fooling.

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Good Lord, boy, if you made up a girl, why didn't you make up a name?

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Look, I've been all through that with the police.

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Now, if you're going to talk that way, too, maybe we'd better forget the whole thing.

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Maybe they'll give me another attorney, Harold.

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None at all, for I care.

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Easy, boy, easy.

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I'm sorry I popped off, but it isn't a new attorney you need.

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It's a new story.

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That's right.

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Guilford rode out to the inn that night in my trolley.

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It was on the fourth or the fifth.

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Face the jury, please, and talk louder.

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Oh, louder?

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I say I took Guilford to the inn that night.

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It was about 10 after midnight.

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He got out and started for the inn.

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Did you notice anyone else around, any girl, for instance?

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A girl?

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No, no, nobody else.

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That'll be all, thank you.

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The defense may have the witness.

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And as soon as we started to talk to Guilford, he confessed to spiking the blows.

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He talked about doing it in self-defense and about a girl he had a date with who witnessed the fight.

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Have you been able to trace this girl whose existence is claimed by the defendant?

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No.

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No trace of her at all?

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No, sir, no trace of her at all.

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And then we come to the actual evidence, gentlemen of the jury.

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Where do we get the evidence?

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From the witnesses.

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And who is the state's principal witness?

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None other than the defendant himself.

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But the defendant can prove his story.

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He has a witness.

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The girl who saw it all.

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The girl he saved from a bad deal.

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Would any girl be so heartless as to leave such a benefactor in the lurch when just a word would save him?

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Why doesn't she appear?

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Why isn't she found?

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No, there is no trace of her.

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Not even a small size note.

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In other words, she is behaving exactly as you would expect someone to behave who is not real.

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But just a figment of a desperate man's imagination.

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The defendant will rise.

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Gentlemen of the jury, have you reached the verdict?

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We have.

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What is your verdict?

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We the jury find the defendant Henry Guilford guilty as charged of murder in the first degree.

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I...

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Yes.

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My boss at the garage and the fellows who worked their days chipped in some money.

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I had an uncle in West Virginia who sent Mr. Hall $50 in cash and a promissory note for another $50.

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And I guess Mr. Hall put up the money himself for his spending.

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Anyway, he kept appealing the case all the way up to the state Supreme Court.

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But it didn't do any good.

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Kept coming back to the original decision sustained, Mr. Hall said.

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All this time the court had kept changing the date.

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The date I was supposed to be hanged.

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Now all of a sudden I knew there weren't going to be any more changes.

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The last date set was it.

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I think I started to suffocate right then.

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There was something growing in my throat that wouldn't let me breathe.

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The evening of the next day, McGill, your deputy warden, came into my cell with a couple of guards.

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He told me I was moving.

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I knew where.

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It was down on the main floor.

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A row of only three cells.

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It was the last stop.

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Just row.

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They have a team of two guards who live right in the cell with you the last few days.

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One time a prison breaks down and shows a human touch.

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McGill, or else they just want to make sure you don't go ahead and carry out the sentence on yourself.

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Anyway, whatever it was, I was grateful.

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Because now I was lonely.

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I was afraid.

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Not afraid like a man, but afraid the way a child is afraid.

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I was going someplace.

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The last place.

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And I was going alone.

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The last hour of the day.

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The thing you feel most the last hours of the time.

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A clock.

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Remembering how often you wished it would hurry so you could get off work or out of school or see your girl or go fishing.

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You remember a million hours like that when six hours is all you got left.

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Outside, you know, they're watching the clock too.

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Not like you are, but they're watching it.

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All the usual people concerned with an execution.

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Doing the usual things.

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The lawyer, the warden, the governor maybe.

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Newspaper men, guards, the executioner.

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I know what every one of them was doing as they watched the clock that night.

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They told me afterwards.

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And now I'll never forget it.

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Clock all over the state.

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Ticking away my life.

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You ought to get some sleep warden.

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It's only five hours away.

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Yes, I know, McGill, I know.

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I wish I could lose this pain in my chest.

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I think I'll lie down here on the couch for a little while.

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Yes, do that.

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When shall I call you, warden?

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Oh, make it an hour beforehand.

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Five a.m.

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Hello?

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This is Bailey Hall.

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Yes, I'm beautiful this evening.

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You're who?

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Where have you been all this time?

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What?

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Look, you're not dead.

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You're dead.

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You're dead.

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I'm dead.

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I'm dead.

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I'm dead.

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I'm dead.

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Hey, hey, look, you're not just some crook that's after pubs.

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I know, I know it's for sick this morning.

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Where are you?

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All right, wait for me.

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I'll be right down.

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We've got about two hours.

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I take my reputation on, Governor.

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This is the girl.

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At least it deserves a stay of execution.

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It's true, sir. I swear it's true.

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I've been in the East.

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I just haven't heard about it till tonight,

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but it's just as East had it was.

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And the money that was taken out of the dead man's pocket?

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I took it.

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I need it with my head. I'll be right, kid.

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He's been my husband.

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Very well. Richard.

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Yes, Governor?

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Type out a stay of execution on the Guilford case for three weeks.

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Bring it in and out. Sign it and you can take it down.

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All right. You'd better phone the warden to make sure, though, Governor.

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That boy's only got about a half hour left.

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Warden's office.

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Yes, this is Warden Barnes.

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Huh?

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Oh, yes, Governor.

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Young Guilford?

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Oh, you don't say so.

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Why, that's splendid, Governor. Splendid.

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'll let them know right away.

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Yes, sir. Oh, McGill. McGill. McGill.

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I guess, Warden.

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Harry, Jack, come here, quick.

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What's the matter?

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Something happened to the warden. Help me get him up on the couch.

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Yeah.

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Looks like a stroke.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Call the doctor, will you?

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Sure. Hey, the phone's off the hook.

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Oh, mind that. Call the doctor.

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Yeah, must have been a strain of his execution.

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I think he kind of liked the kid.

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Yeah. 5.30.

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Well, I'll have to take over for the execution.

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Gentlemen. Gentlemen.

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Now 10 minutes to 6.

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In a few moments, you will be admitted to the ground floor of Blockhouse A

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where the scaffold has been erected

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and where the execution, which you are to witness as

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newspaper men and members of the medical profession, will take place.

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We'll find rows of banknotes and

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please take your seats quietly in any of the rows except the first,

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which has been reserved for members of the medical examining committee.

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We ask you to cooperate with us in our duties

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and to respect the solemnity of the occasion by moving quietly,

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refraining from any loud conversation from the moment you enter until you leave.

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That's all. Thank you.

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The minister was reading from the Bible when

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I knew it was time they were coming for me.

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This was it then.

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There was a group of guards.

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The deputy warden was with them.

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They opened my cell door.

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One of the guards came straight up to me.

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He was carrying a leather strap with a big buckle on it.

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I stood up.

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I saw them strapping my arms behind me.

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The minister stopped reading for a moment to say something.

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We'll go now, Guilford.

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I started to say something to the deputy,

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but he nodded his head at the men and we started to move.

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The two guards who had been in the cell with me stood back

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and one of them reached over to me,

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and he put his hand on my shoulder for a second.

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I tried to say goodbye.

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I walked and realized I couldn't breathe very deeply, though I wanted to.

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Just short breaths were all I could take.

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The deputy turned around and looked at me.

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He seemed nervous.

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That bothered me.

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I wish he wasn't so nervous.

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Then we got to a door in the corner.

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Through that, then another door.

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That was already open.

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I walked through.

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I was in a room full of men.

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But my eyes looked at something else.

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They were the steps just ahead of me.

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Untainted wooden steps.

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They led up to the platform.

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From above that, there, up there, I saw the rope.

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Yes.

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The guard who was waiting worked fast and moved me into position.

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The men in the room below me now, they were looking up.

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There was a movement among them.

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One of them had fainted, fell off the bench, and landed hard.

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It was like in a dream.

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I wondered if he had hurt himself.

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Then I felt something over my head.

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And I knew the rope was being adjusted.

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Then another guard was in front of me.

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He had a hood.

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He lifted it and it came down over my head.

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Somewhere inside of me, screams began, but my lips were closed.

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And I was saying to myself, hurry, hurry, hurry.

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Hello.

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Tom, don't you know better than to ring the phone now.

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Guilford's on the scaffold.

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What?

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The governor's missing?

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What?

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Are you sure?

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The cops have sprung.

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McGill!

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McGill, stop!

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There's a pardon!

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Stop it!

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Stop it!

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No, a man doesn't always die right away when he's hanged.

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They talk about the neck being broken and death coming instantly.

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No, not always.

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Death doesn't come for a long time.

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For some men it's nearly 20 minutes.

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For others it may be less.

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But never under 12 minutes before the heart stops.

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You can check on that.

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Me?

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I was up only a few seconds.

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They cut me down and the doctors worked on me right on the wheel stretcher that was waiting to carry my body out.

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No, I didn't lose consciousness.

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I sometimes wish I had.

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I sometimes wish I'd gone then instead of being brought back to remember every bit of those last hours.

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There was a new trial after I was on my feet again.

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But I don't know what was dead.

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I was free.

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I saw the girl, Judy.

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I know her name now and I thank him.

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Neither one of us knew what to say after that, so she just went.

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Yes, I never sleep indoors.

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I never button my collar.

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I don't like buildings, any buildings.

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They drop stone and steel and hold you in.

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I want to be out here where I can see the sky anytime I open my eyes.

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And I open them often.

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I think too much when they're closed.

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I hear the clock.

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The clock.

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The clock.

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This is the Armed Forces radio service.

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The Armed Forces radio service.

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The Armed Forces radio service.

